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KyleB

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Jenny

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KyleB.  When someone gives me a lifetime guarantee on a metal roof, I'm going to take a good long look.  In fact, I have a metal roof and love it.  I love to hear the rain on the roof and I'm glad the snow slides off.  Look at all those folks in New England with collapsing roofs because they can't get the snow off.  You may want to take another look.
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JakeD

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Dunno, man. Those claims are interesting, and some are legit, but there is some misinformation... For instance:

1. You can get electrocuted on any roof and from any improperly grounded home in lighting prone areas. Look all over the south. Regardless of the roof, there are lightning rods all over the place.
2. Paint color does fade, I have never seen anything that doesn't. Even 35 year shingles aren't going to stay the same color, or last 35 years.
3. Besides the poorly worded point, firemen can cut through metal roofing. It isn't 1/4 inch plate steel... Not only that, but they rarely "chop" into a roof for access. They use chainsaws with specialty blades designed to cut through nails, and all manner of crap on a roof.
4. One man's noisy is another's lullaby... This is subjective, and most people that get a metal roof understand this. It is one of the reasons I plan on putting one on my next house. I love the sound.
5. Wi-Fi signal emanates from within the house. Unless you are on some rooftop deck and your wireless router is in the basement, chances are pretty good you won't see any significant degradation in signal. Instructions for placement of Wi-Fi routers help you understand optimal placement.  If you can get cell signal in Home Depot, surrounded by metal racks and various building materials... you will be just fine in your metal roofed home.
6. Sliding snow and ice... Yes, if they don't put in snow guards. But if they are properly installed, you will find them much easier to clean in heavy snow and freak damaging situations like they are experiencing in Boston right now... There are good reasons why ski resorts all over the world have made the choice to go to metal roofs.
7. It traps moisture from where? If you have moisture under the material you are putting on your roof, you have bigger problems than your metal roof. Tar paper is just as impermeable as metal as you lay it down.. Ice and Water... yeah, that stuff too. This is more of an installation and improper ventilation issue than it is a material issue.
8. ever seen TPO on a sunny day? You are blind for life... metal comes in a ton of different colors, pick the one you like the best. It isn't rocket science.
9. walking on any roof as a regular practice is not a great idea. You can knock granules off regular asphalt shingles that can significantly decrease the life of the roof as well. You can't exactly jog all over a TPO roof either. Not sure how this angle scares people from metal roofs.
10. Tree branches can punch holes in any roof. Acorns that fall can do damage... Hail can fall and do some serious denting. This is what insurance is for. The difference is that after an acorn dents a metal roof, it won't necessarily degrade. It will just have a dent.
11. Fine print.... now you nailed the crux of the issue. Really, everything hinges on this point alone. This is what you hang your hat on, because you are right. Lifetime does not mean that if the house stands for 200 years, the roof will be just as good on the 200th year as it was on the first. What you can count on is that the person installing your metal roof will probably go out of business before you have to deal with issues, so they don't really care.
12. Another semi legitimate issue. However lifetime does not always mean maintenance free. You may have to occasionally ( every 10 years or so) hire someone to go up and do some work on the roof to maintain it. If you buy a new car with a 100k mile warrantee, it doesn't mean you drive the thing without changing the oil and the filters on occasion. I don't know any lifetime product that is maintenance free. 

I am not a fan of this kind of sales pitch. Ultimately, you end up a sales person for the guy that installs metal roofs. Consumers see this stuff and immediately they will go investigate. If your claims turn out to be questionable, you will start to lose sales and credibility.

If instead you approached it from a perspective of consulting with the customer, you will lock in sales at a much higher rate. Understand your customer's needs. Have a list of Pro's and con's that are realistic and verifiable. Help direct the customer to the right decision for them and their needs. If you aren't the right person for them, build a relationship with a metal roof installer in your area and close the sale anyhow, and sell them the lead.

I hate, HATE, Trex decking. I think it is a terrible product. I will not install it, period. Once in a while, I find a customer that has made up their mind that it is what they want. I have a guy I send them to. In return he sends me stuff he doesn't like to do. The bottom line is, that I lay out the options and I consult with the customer. Once they decide on a solution, I provide it one way or another. I win 90% of the jobs I walk in on. If I just trashed stuff they were interested in, they would feel like I was insulting their intelligence. They often do some research before I get there. 

A flyer like this isn't one that would influence me at all. At least it wouldn't influence me to call Brink... Sad thing is, they are probably an amazing roofing contractor. 

Just my two cents... Best of luck to you... I think what this whole thread will boil down to, is Ford v. Chevy.... we will go back and forth all day extolling the virtues of our favorites, but ultimately, it is a vehicle... ( roof ) 

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NewRoofer

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You make some pretty good points there.  I’ve never thought much about this.  I still learning this business.  But, I’ve never even liked the thought of a metal roof.
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Stania

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I really appreciate you taking the time to outline all those counterpoints, Jake. I'm building a house with a metal roof and I got a little nervous when I saw the title of this thread, but everything you said makes perfect sense. That flyer is simply trying to scare people away from metal roofing. It's silly because it's not like the metal roofing industry is taking over the world and making the traditional roofing scene go belly up.
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JakeD

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Stania, 

There realistically is no perfect system. any of them are going to take a little care and maintenance. It is a budget, expectation, style... The other thing to think about, isn't just what they look like, but like KyleB pointed out... what is in the fine print. What is the warrentee info? Also... who is installing it? If they have been around for a while, that is a good thing, because that means they are invested in the success of their installations and will be around to back up that installation. 

The purpose of my response wasn't to try and convince anyone that a metal roof is the best thing in the world, because really, there are some situations where it may not be all that great. As long as you do your research, you should be good to go. I was more concerned that using just lists of slanted negatives were not the best way to sell a product. 

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Stania

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Oh, I totally get what you were doing there! Whether it's a metal roof or shingles or bundles of hay, I don't like to see lists leaning in a negative direction. It's an individual decision and whereas a metal roof might be the best thing for me, bundles of hay for a roof might be the best thing for my neighbor. In my case, when it comes down to warranty time, I plan on going over that puppy with a fine-toothed comb. [wink]
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This all makes sense but I have heard of people loving metal roofs. I agree about the sound of the rain. I have a metal roof on my shed in the back and love it. I have one of them 12 x 8 sheds and I sometimes will sit in it while it is raining just to relax haha
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Dale Jones

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Honestly, I think it depends on the person. I wouldn't say it is a flat out scam. Some people love them, others hate them. I never had an issue with them but they don't tend to last as long and are a pain to get repaired. 
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I have heard of them being a poor choice but never a scam. I can get why people wouldn't want to deal with them though. They seem like they are an ongoing upkeep. 
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JakeD

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What roof isn't ongoing upkeep?

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JakeD did a good job of covering most points. Metal conducts electricity, it doesn't attract it. Lightening will always look for the highest points. It would sooner hit a tree than a metal roof. A metal roof is safer and actually dissipates electricity. Fireman don't like metal roofs because they are harder to vent, but they can vent them. As far as paint fading most of them have a 30 year warranty on the paint finish.
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